The Pokemon Tier System

What! I get screwed at every chance I get. I end up getting a team with like pokemon that can take out my pokemon because i had moves that didnt really do anything about it, like psychic vs daark and stuff.

Thats part of competition. These people play intending to win. And you dont win by using your favorite pokemon that look cool, and just raising them to a high level and having that be it. You win by breeding for natures and IVs and training for the stats you want, and planning out a team that can take down any imaginable opposition. Or something as close to that as possible.

You shouldnt battle competitive players if you dont intend to play competitively. Stick to your friends who arnt intrested in the competitive side.

Thats all statisitcal stuff. I work with my favorite pokemon to make them good even when others say they are lower tier. All stick it to the tier system and battle a competitive playe and kick hi ass with pokemon on a different tier and show the tier system that it is wrong. You cant generalize like 400 pokemon [soon to be over 500]

No, you CAN use your favorites to make them better. THe thing is it takes much more time and planning than it does with OU pokemon, who have an easy time handling pretty much anything without much preparation. The tier system isnt wrong. Some pokemon are better suited to play certian roles naturally. Underused and Never Used pokemon arnt necessarily bad, just they are harder to work with. Beating someone with them dosn't disprove the tier system.

The tier system is made by Smogon, who hosts a shoddy battle server. The biggest online I believe. THey moniter the teams made by the human players and check which pokemon are being used. The overused ones are OU. The ones that are used less are UU, the ones you barely see are NU. Ubers are the only ones set apart because they have extremely cheap strategies. Otherwise its all statistics. You could beat me with your magikarp. Dosnt mean that people use Garydos any less.

I just need to show that the tiers are loads of crap to the believers to show that just because the tier says your better doesnt mean you'll win.

Tiers are just a way to sort out statistical effectiveness of mons or, in a more cynical view, a way of saying "We don't like your style of pokeymanning around these parts".

Then again, that's how many tourney players in almost any game work in the end, so it's expected. I'm not saying that style is badwrongfun; it's how competitive play works out in the end and there's nothing to be done about it.

The tier system is not a load of crap, god. I realize the people who follow it strictly are really annoying, but what it says isnt unjustified. Your pokemon is not "Better" its just used more because its more versatile. And theres no arguing with that.

And if you payed -any- attention to the tier system you would realize it is not set in stone. Pokemon move ranks frequently as new tactics to use with them are discovered and exploited. Stop trying to mount an anarchy against competitive battling. Its how the system works. It is not faulty. Its there to help you know what pokemon are frequently used, and how you can effectively prepare an offense.

No I never said battling was faulty. Just the system. In order fro it to be a little fair you would need hundreds of people working together. And I dont see the tier system telling th lower tiers how to defend from the higher tiers. Its all attack. You need some defense too.

Chewya wrote:I just need to show that the tiers are loads of crap to the believers to show that just because the tier says your better doesnt mean you'll win.

I'm sorry but the Pokemon tiers are not. ._. Just because tiers don't work for a fighting game doesn't mean they won't work for an RPG. Pokemon is all stats. Your HP, your defense, your moves power, your moves accuracy, there really isn't that much room for human error compared to a game like Brawl where the timing of your button press and the accuracy of your aiming is never set in stone.

Sadly, just because you like something doesn't change it's stats. And no amount of trying your hardest is really going to change it either. Competitive Pokemon is more about knowledge, and predicting, and playing the odds to your best advantage. Tiers play a part in that.

Why not make a tire here and have the thousands of users here make a tier and see what happens.

Chewya wrote:No I never said battling was faulty. Just the system. In order fro it to be a little fair you would need hundreds of people working together. And I dont see the tier system telling th lower tiers how to defend from the higher tiers. Its all attack. You need some defense too.

Pokemon raise in tier rank because people begin to wonder if X pokemon in UU or NU can beat X pokemon in OU. The trend catches on, and that pokemon becomes more popular.

And did you not read what I said earlier? Smogon bases their tiers off their shoddy battle servers, and saying that hundreds of people play on them is a VAST understatement.

Why not host a series of battles with pokemon from the various tiers to test out the system and try something.

That is essentially what happens on the shoddy battle server. Quit complaining and trying to change things that you don't fully understand.

My one gripe about the tier system is not the system itself, but those
who take it too seriously to the point of "Stop having fun guys". It's fine if the players competing are using the tiers and their ground rules, but they are not some holy gold-gilded bible to bash over the head of every player in the world.

Some other forums for example, post any mon and move set suggestion and
you instantly have several dozen drooling morons going "NO! Badwrongfun!
Badwrongfun! You need moves W X Y and Z on a perfectly IV'd mon with
EV's also optimized! No, don't use that mon, it's crap tier! Why would you do that!?"

This species of neckbeard is not unique to mons, though. I run D&D games and I've had them try to over optimize(term used, min-maxing) their characters to cheese out most anything I could throw at the party that they would be able to deal with reasonably. They found themselves in the sights of laser-guided DM wrath.

TL;DR: Funkillers suck.

Change? Id rather point out the faults to fix and shut the hardcore competative players up about 'oh this poekon is good, tis one sucks, why do you use this' kind of stuff you hear that gets a little annoying. Thank god for the ablility to mute your game during a battle with them. Dont want to hear thier rant about whos good and whos not.

Its not the tier system so much as the people who think its the law. Hate the player, not the game.

Yeah good point. The fault is some of the hardcore followers.