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What are some Pokemon attacks that wouldn't hurt a human and what are some that would hurt him?

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What are some Pokemon attacks that wouldn't hurt a human and what are some that would hurt him?

Post by Kharma on July 31st 2011, 2:45 am

The only Pokemon damaging attacks(with a power value) that wouldn't hurt a human are Bubble and I think also Splash(it doesn't have a power value however).What do you think?
And please also describe the attacks that would hurt us in real life.Like if you say Leaf Storm explain how it would feel.
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Re: What are some Pokemon attacks that wouldn't hurt a human and what are some that would hurt him?

Post by Houndoomed on July 31st 2011, 6:34 am

Canonically speaking, the general lethality of attacks varies pretty wildly. Personally, I take the games as canon, since they came first; the anime and manga are based thereon. Still, quite a bit of variation. In G/S/C and their remakes, Lance has his Dragonite Hyper Beam a Rocket Grunt into a wall, which fails to do any evident lasting damage... although it must've been quite painful. In Black and White, on the other hand, battling Bianca and Cheren with level 5 starters is enough to completely and absolutely trash the player's bedroom. This is pretty much chalked up to Bianca being a TREMENDOUS ditz.

That in mind... I'd say wild Pokemon seem to invariably cause more general havoc than trained ones. My guess is that Pokeballs also serve as power limiters that, among other things, prevent them from employing lethal force. That'd explain quite a bit. Particularly the various evil organizations' insistence on NOT using other capture methods. And a lot of the legendaries.

As for specific moves? I had a field day with Dark ones a while back. Via wild theorizing, I concluded that they function as a combination of general trickery with inflicting mind-screw on the opponent. In other words, they have some manner of aura or energy that keeps the enemy somewhat distracted and disarmed, making moves like Switcheroo and Thief easier to pull off. It also carries over to faking out referees and Trainers against blatant cheating: Thief again, and Beat Up. Dark Pulse simply takes the same mental-block energy and concentrates it into weaponized form. In other words, it's a shockwave of pure mindfuck. (I really wanted to say that.) It can cause flinching because it leaves the target heavily disoriented.

Oh, speaking of which? Dark Pulse wouldn't do physical damage. Methinks the insistent terminology of "X fainted!" is a little more meaningful than some censorship against more violent incapacitation. Quite a few moves wouldn't really deal actual damage. Dark Pulse would be more like a wave of energy that totally scrambles your thoughts for a moment... and would be fully capable of just knocking you out if you aren't prepared for it. A lot of Psychic moves are similar, except the ones that just telekinetically fling the opponent around; Extrasensory, for example, assaults the foe by subjecting them to a sixth sense they cannot properly process.

As for a move that wouldn't hurt humans? Dream Eater, explicitly so. I assume it knocks Pokemon out just because they aren't in a particularly deep sleep (while in battle), and are therefore partly aware of what's going on; the sensation of their subconscious being feasted upon is probably scary enough to make them faint. On humans, on the other hand... it essentially seems to just make them forget the dream. So, the move only has any "damaging" use against opponents who are forced to go to sleep against their will.

Also, Bubblebeam. I don't care how hard you blow bubbles, they still kinda pop harmlessly upon contact with... anything.

Powder Snow, Blizzard, and Icy Wind would be unpleasant, but prooobably not particularly painful. The worst result of cold is frostbite, and the few seconds of cold any of the moves would provide would probably not suffice.

Water Gun. It's about the volume of water from a garden hose. Again... unpleasant, but not necessarily painful. As opposed to Hydro Pump, which would be more like the pressurized spray from a fire truck hose. Certainly enough to leave a nasty, nasty bruise.

Astonish. It's described as, essentially, the user... attempting to scare the target. Given its pitiful attack power, it's fairly ineffective at achieving that end. Or at least scaring them enough to make them faint, since it can at least make them flinch. Also, Lick, unless you assume the target is being forcibly smacked with the tongue. Most of its danger comes from the fact that things that use it tend to have magical paralyzing saliva.

That's all I can think of. I'm done for now.

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Re: What are some Pokemon attacks that wouldn't hurt a human and what are some that would hurt him?

Post by Kharma on July 31st 2011, 10:35 am

Nice to see that you cared and answered to my question since you locked me previous ones >.< But anyway.I agree about everything you said apart from the Pokemon attacks description.
I use to make them seem more lethal but I think it is quite logical.
You said that Dark Pulse would be just a shock wave of mindfuck.But where is the damage?Because scaring someone isn't considered as damage.Scaring someone mean you make them flinch.So in my opinion Dark Pulse would be a powerful pitch-black shock wave of energy which would scare you.Isn't it logical.You see a pitch-black,dark shock wave coming towards you.When it hits you it would knock you over and push you back and since it is energy it would give you a burning and tingling sensation all over your body.It would be very concussive.As I said,it would knock you over,crush your body and suck your soul at the end.So why is it Dark type then you may think.It's because it scares you,it is dark and it steals your soul.

I agree about Dream Eater.But Pokemon would first hypnotize you with Hypnosis and then eat your dreams.So it would affect us.

Will you feel offended if I tell you I didn't understand a thing about Extrasensory?It just doesn't make sense.It doesn't seem damaging also.

Bubblebeam would be quite painful.It would be like many many hard bubbles being thrown at you with great force.It would hurt and it would leave some nasty bruises too.They wouldn't be normal bubbles.In the anime they are shown to be hard.They are like light bulbs.Bubble would be completely harmless.It would be like bubbles blown by a bubble gun.

Powder snow would be unpleasant and somewhat painful if it touched your naked body.It would be like snow.Take some snow,work it a bit and make it powdery and then blow it at someone.Like that.Icy wind would be like a strong,really cold wind.It would be so chilly that it could cause a frostbite.
Blizzard would be like real blizzard,only concentrated to a target so it would be much more effective and lethal(like,,it wouldn't hit the whole city but only a group of people).The wind would be so strong that it would knock you off your feet several meters away and it would freeze you like after 3 seconds.(hypothermia would be the main reason of death).

Watergun would be stronger than a garden hose.It would push you back a step or two and it would be very painful.It would sting actually.And it would leave some awful too.Hydro pump would feel like a fire hose x 5.It would blast you away flying due to the sheer force and power and it would completely crash your bones,cause concussion,internal bleeding and you would obviously die.If you survived it by a miracle then you would certainly faint so it would be easier to drown or you would faint and then you would die from the internal bleeding and concussion.

And finally Astonish.Firstly, base power has nothing to do with it managing to frighten the opponent.Basically Astonish is not just a scary face which causes the foe to faint from fear.The pokemon would scream and make a terrifying face while dashing at the opponent.This explains both damage and the flinching ratio.It would be like a scarier,louder tackle.
Also Lick.Yes,the opponent is forcibly smacked by the tongue of the pokemon and it is also soaked in saliva.The saliva contains special chemicals which could paralyze the victim.Or the opponent could simply paralyze because of the shock.It would be like 'oh my goodness,it licked me.it...it.it licked me.'

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Post by Houndoomed on July 31st 2011, 11:41 am

I said nothing about damage on Dark Pulse. Just because it does in-game "damage" doesn't mean it has to inflict literal physical bodily harm, y'know.

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Post by Kharma on July 31st 2011, 11:51 am

it has to.Why not? but okay.If I ask a question like 'how would these attacks feel in real life' will you answer? Smile Your avatar is so cool btw :3

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Post by Houndoomed on August 1st 2011, 2:09 am

I already said why not; I figure the game is actually using the term "fainted" quite literally. If your goal is to knock the other guy out, then you don't necessarily HAVE to do physical damage. It's just, in most cases, the most effective way to accomplish it.

I also said how Dark Pulse would feel in real life. That whole "shockwave of pure mindfuck" deal. But, if you want more detail? Think of it as an EMP, sort of. But, instead of scrambling electronics, it scrambles psychic energy. That is, your brain. That is, your thoughts and reflexes and such are going to be all screwed up for a bit, and that's IF you manage to maintain consciousness through it. Ever play Metal Gear Solid 4? Throw a Chaff Grenade near the Scarabs or Gekkos, and it's kinda like that; the effect just doesn't last nearly as long.

Most other Dark moves would do the same sort of thing on a lesser extent. The Pokemon puts off a (much more subtle) aura to screw with the mind of its target. You barely know what's happening as it, say, sneaks up and strikes (Faint Attack), steals your stuff (Thief), slashes at you with claws (Night Slash), or whatever it does. They'd -feel- like regular attacks, mostly, but you'd feel oddly zoned-out at the same time, like you're distracted and you don't know by what. And since you're clearly not in a situation where you'd be losing your focus easily, it's terrifying.

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Post by Kharma on August 1st 2011, 2:50 am

I understand what you mean and I find it completely logical to think that way.I even agree about your description for the other dark attacks(faint attack etc).They would be normal attacks,but they would just hit when you least expect it and some of them would even scare the hell out of you.Sucker punch,faint attack,foul play and night slash would be like normal attacks but they would hit you when you wouldn't even have a clue.They would sneak and attack.Assurance,payback,pursuit and punishment are revenging attacks.The pokemon would want to revenge you so it would hit harder.That's why they are Dark(evil) type.Because they seek revenge.Other moves like thief etc are considered Dark type moves because they are unfair.The only thing I can't understand is why dark pulse wouldn't deal physical damage.I love the way you describe it and it's really interesting for a move to screw your mind and all these but I think that mindfuck would be Psychic attacks' job.Like confusion would mess with your mind make you feel dizzy etc..Dark pulse would be both a concussive shock wave which damages you physically and it screws with your emotions as well.It terrifies you and it distracts you so you get hit without expecting it.

But why are we stuck with Dark type attacks?There are so many other types! :/

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Post by Houndoomed on August 1st 2011, 2:57 am

Firstly, I mostly focus on Dark type attacks because that's the type I'm interested in.

Second, there's Psychic attacks that -aren't- of the mindscrew variety. For example, Psychic is usually shown as telekinetically throwing the opponent around. Psycho Cut is blades of psychokinetic energy.

Third, a Dark move being mindscrew actually makes more sense than a Psychic one. Psychics fight using their mind. Why would Dark moves be strong against them, unless they mess with their heads?

And lastly, with most of the other types... it's fairly obvious what they do if you just look at the type and the name. Flamethrower sets you on fire, for example, whereas Magma Storm and Lava Plume would be kinda like napalm being thrown about. Dark moves, on the other hand, are a lot more fun to interpret. Along with Ghost and Psychic ones, really.

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Post by Kharma on August 1st 2011, 3:41 am

oh ok..then interpret for me Shadow ball,night shade,psywave,night daze and psybeam. Smile Let's see if you can do that.

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Post by Houndoomed on August 1st 2011, 4:18 am

Shadow Ball is spiritual energy (ectoplasm?) condensed into a semi-physical form to be thrown at the enemy. By nature of the attack, it's essentially hitting the opponent in two planes of existence simultaneously.

Night Shade is the same sort of energy, but much, much less focused. It only hits the target on the spiritual plane; as such, it is unaffected by defense and the like, always dealing the same amount of damage (the user's level, in-game).

Psywave is a low-level psychic ability that basically manifests itself as a concussive burst. It deals virtually random damage, because the user is inexperienced; Psywave is almost always one of the earliest moves learned by a Psychic type. As for what it would do... it would essentially be a telekinetic pulse used on the air. It'd be like getting "hit" by a sound, more or less.

Night Daze... is virtually identical to Dark Pulse. Their animations in the game aren't even any different. It's the same attack, but thrown with a bit more force and a bit less accuracy. Since it can lower the target's accuracy, I also assume the "brain-scrambling" effect lasts a good deal longer.

Psybeam is boring. It's just a concentrated beam of psychic energy. Like Shadow Ball, it hits the opponent in two ways; body and mind. The mind part lends itself to the chance of causing confusion.

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Post by Kharma on August 1st 2011, 4:51 am

wow great answers! But could you,I just ask it politely,could you explain how they would hurt a human? It's like,you described how they would work and be like but you didn't explain how they would hurt us.For example Shadow ball would be concussive and it would push you back forcefully and it would also make you feel some gruesome.loathsome emotions unknown to humans. Smile haha,like this..try it u.u

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Post by Houndoomed on August 1st 2011, 5:14 am

... How exactly would it feel any different if used against a human, hmn? I said how they'd feel. That applies to everything. It's not like people suddenly take every sensation completely different from everything else.

In terms of the types I was talking about, though?

Ghost moves hit the body and/or the soul. Aside from any concussive impacts they may or may not cause, they'd generally damage the target's willpower and general emotional state. The victim's will to live itself may suffer.

Psychic moves strike the body and/or the mind. If it's not a general telekinetic smackdown, it's usually going to be something where it forces your mind to process sensations it isn't programmed to. That is... forcing something without a sixth sense to experience it anyway. The brain is essentially given an overload of information it doesn't know how to deal with.

Dark moves hit the body, soul AND mind, which is why they trump both the Psychic and Ghost types. Major difference is that in the mind aspect, they would be dulling your senses instead of overloading them.

Frankly, I -did- explain how they would hurt humans. I merely did it without the use of superfluous flowery prose. If you wanted goth poetry about agony and suffering, you should've been more specific.

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Post by Kharma on August 1st 2011, 5:36 am

Um please make it more simple.lol I can't really understand them.It's like I read doctor's diagnoses.It's still english but I can't understand what you mean..Especially about psychic moves..What would happen if the human's brain overloaded?Or how would it feel to experience 6th sense.It doesn't sound bad at all.And they don't sound lethal at all in the way you described them.Let me do it :
I am gonna explain dark pulse and shadow ball.Psychic would be just telekinetic smackdown as you said.The pokemon would have absolute control over you and it would throw you like a ragdoll.It would do everything it's nasty mind wanted to.
Dark pulse - A very spooky and concussive pitch black shock wave.It would literally crash your body and since it would be energy it would also burn your skin down.It would knock you over several feet away and steal your soul from your body.So an empty crashed body would be left.
Shadow ball - An almost invisible ball of energy which would knock you off your feet and push you back many meters away.It would be very concussive,it would break some bones from the sheer force,it would cause concussion and it would knock you back(you may also get injured from the fall).And it would disappear once it hit you.If you survived it you would suffer great depression and the dark energy from the attack would affect your willpower so you wouldn't have willpower to live.

I just put much more emphasis on the physical side of damage.

And don't get angry.I don't want to turn this thread into a debate :p

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Post by Kharma on August 1st 2011, 1:23 pm

and also can you describe me Night Daze? Because it looks really really really destructive in the anime.It is like a nuclear explosion of dark energy.

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Post by Houndoomed on August 1st 2011, 4:44 pm

No double posting. There's an "Edit" button for a reason.

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Post by Kharma on August 2nd 2011, 2:25 am

ok i wont do it again Embarassed Axe
anyway..will you answer me?

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Post by Houndoomed on August 2nd 2011, 4:35 am

"A nuclear explosion of dark energy?" That's... patently ridiculous, considering the nature of nuclear explosions. It'd be a regular explosion of energy, if anything. Oh, and an explosion of energy would be -exactly- what I described for Dark Pulse. Night Daze is just a stronger version.

Also? Of course it looks really really powerful in the anime. The anime exaggerates practically every single attack. Especially since you're referring to a movie, and an attack used by the Pokemon the movie is focused on. Anyways, it seems kinda silly for you to be using the anime to judge things. You seem fascinated with the idea of humans getting attacked by Pokemon, which practically ONLY happens for comic relief in the anime. The manga is a better source of that, supposedly.

As for the thing about Extrasensory... of course you don't know what I mean. I don't know what I mean. It's incomprehensible, and that's the point. You don't KNOW what you're feeling. Your puny human senses aren't designed to make sense of it. It's like if someone tells you they smell colors. Except you're being FORCED to smell colors, and you can't process sensory input that way. Sorry about the big words, but I'm not sure of any other way to put in. In layman's terms, though? GIGANTIC HEADACHE. SEVERE MENTAL STRAIN.

Also, your little description of Dark Pulse down there... here's an idea. Dark Pulse is JUST an energy pulse. It passes through you and scrambles your brain, without concussive force. Night Daze is the same thing, WITH concussive force.

And Shadow Ball isn't invisible in any way. Well, it's invisible in one way: it absorbs all light. You don't see -it-, sure. But you can certainly see the lump of black energy hurtling toward you; it'd look like, well, a shadow. As for cracking bones and stuff? Throwing people -that- far? Um, no way. It's an energy ball, not a bomb. It'd probably knock you down, especially if the thing using it was particularly strong, but... seriously, not every attack needs concussive force. Think of a flamethrower. Not the attack kind, the weapon kind. It has virtually NO stopping power, but that doesn't mean it won't kill you.

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Post by Kharma on August 2nd 2011, 5:05 am

Okay I agree with everything you said.Except something.Shadow ball.But I am going to argue about it later.Now I want to say some things about Extrasensory.I agree that Extrasensory wouldn't deal physical damage.It would cause some horrible migraines and head buzzing,ear ringing and weird feelings that we humans can't experience now?I think I get it now.Okay.
Dark Pulse on the other hand is easy to imagine as a shock wave of dark energy which would just pass through you andmake you a zombie..I mean make you feel horrible like guilt,shame and other horrible feelings.It would also make your head buzz so bad that you would feel like it would explode(its energy..it cant pass through you with no consequences).But I think it would be concussive.Night Daze would have the power to demolish,kill and vanish everything within a 2 miles radius.It would also be pitch-black,complete darkness.Dark pulse wouldn't be so strong.It would kill humans and have the power to crack concrete walls.I consider them Dark because they would also steal the soul of the dead.While you consider them Dark because they don't do anything else aside from making you feel like you have just commited a crime 8B

And now Shadow ball time...I agree that it wouldn't be invisible afterall.It would be shadowy.It would be dark and shadowy thats it =D ..And yes it would be very concussive.It would throw you back like 5 meters or more away and it would shatter your bones evil2 I didn't say that every attack needs concussive force.Fire attacks,solar beam,and a few others wouldn't be concussive at all but still lethal.But some others like Night Daze,dark pulse,shadow ball,psywave,energy ball and others would be concussive.They are energy attacks.Energy in a shockwave is concussive.So I think I am right :3 ..And I didn't say that they would only affect us physically.They would inflict both physical and emotional harm.Like Dark pulse would make you feel awful.Like you have murdered a person.Guilt and shame.Fear and terror.Depression and Sadness.Shadow ball would probably make you feel something similar.But do you know why I don't put so much emphasis on them.Because these attacks would be so deadly that you would die from the physical harm they would inflict instantly so you wouldn't live to suffer the emotional harm.At least for Dark pulse.Dark pulse would kill you immediately.Shadow ball wouldn't kill you instantly.It would injure you so you would also suffer emotionally but 2 or 3 shadow balls would be devastating.Sorry these are my opinions Smile
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EDIT : And of course there are many ghost attacks that wouldn't hurt you physically.Shadow ball is just not in the list.For example,Night shade wouldn't even touch a hair from your head.It would make you feel frightened.And that's why you would faint(die in the real world).You would die from your scare.How is this possible?You would be sooo frightened,so terrified,so frozen with fear that your heart would stop beating,you would suffer heart attack and you would kick the bucket.So see?No physical interaction at all.Only emotional.Fear would be the main cause of your death.In fact every single ghost attack would frighten you.But there are also some that would hurt you physically too.Shadow ball,shadow punch,shadow claw,shadow sneak,shadow force,ominous wind(like Gust but spooky),Lick(it smacks you with its tongue) and astonish(actually even in the manga it is said that the pokemon dashes at you while screaming).So only Night Shade and Hex wouldn't hurt your body.They wouldn't screw your mind also(that's psychics' job).They would just scare the hell out of you so much that your heart will stop.In the case of Hex you would firstly get that weird sensation of someone watching you.And then BAM!!

Edit 2 : Can you also explain me how psybeam would be and what it would do to a human?Because in the anime it is shown to be something like a laser beam.It destroys everything.

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